Anyone who have experience of CDS, the new "MMS" ?

Hi Cyd,

could you pls be a little more clear in your meaning .. because beeing a foreigner
its difficult to quiet understand what exactly you mean. I don't actually understand what
are you saying is the difference between mms 1 and cds.
thank you

Rainbow Fighter wrote: Hi Cyd,

could you pls be a little more clear in your meaning .. because beeing a foreigner
its difficult to quiet understand what exactly you mean. I don't actually understand what
are you saying is the difference between mms 1 and cds.
thank you

Hi Rainbow Fighter

I'm sorry, I had not considered "foreigners" when I wrote that.

What I meant was that the acid in MMS creates two reactions. The reaction with the sodium chlorite solution that creates the chlorine dioxide AND an additional reaction between the chlorine dioxide and the acid. In MMS, the chlorine dioxide is quite active, attacking the acid that created it. Whereas, in CDS it is not.

I was wondering if acid is a preferred "meal" of chlorine dioxide or if it only appears so, due to momentum of a reactive process that is already well underway when the CLO2 is consumed in the form of MMS.

Does that make sense? Basically, I'm wondering why CDS does not cause the same violent reaction in the stomach as MMS. Might that be because the CLO2 in MMS is more readily reacting with the acid in the stomach because it is already well into the process of reacting to the acid in the MMS?

CLO2 is used up in these reactions and could be significantly more potent in the form of CDS, with more actually getting into the bloodstream rather than being destroyed in a somewhat violent reaction in the stomach. Then again, in the form of MMS, it would also have a short period of time during which it is still being created.

There is also the question of how the body, itself, reacts to CDS, as opposed to how it reacts to MMS. When MMS is taken, the body's reaction to the citric acid must also be taken into account when observing how it reacts to MMS.

I'm just saying that CDS is entirely different than MMS, due to the absence of acid. It is neither reacting nor being created in a reaction. It's just sort of sitting there. What are its preferences when it is in that resting state? Is it waiting for acid or would it select something else? Would it select the most readily available "bad guy" and erupt into action?

I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It doesn't appear to have an appetite for the things we prefer to keep intact. I'm just saying it's a different thing and deserves some consideration. It may have more uses than MMS and I've been thinking a lot about Japan and wondering about radiation and CDS and water.

I just want to add that I do not like the idea of administering it IV. It seems to me that the body is better equipped to decide what goes into the blood and in what form. Properly hydrated, the body can handle AND CREATE just about anything it needs. A human being is a walking talking chemical factory, of the first order!

Hi Pam,

You had right. I checked about the temperature and when I continually have 65 to 70 degrees Celsius, I could see the bubbles are coming and the water became dark yellow.

I also checked the leaking tub, because I strongly could smell the gas. I toke another tub and now evething is functioning.

About your drops of CDS, you gave different answers depending of if we follow the Andreas or Jims protocol. Why this confusion?

Can I use distilled water instead of Saline Solution? Will it be the same protocol in that case?

Thanks for your information and for your help.

GBY

Jean-Claude

JC, the difference is because they use different procedures to make their CDS.

Andreas' mixing bottle has more space in it for the gas to sit, so it doesn't mostly go up the tubing. Jim's bottle is small, so the gas has to go somewhere, so it goes up the tubing.

Andreas uses a 15-30 minute "waiting time" - Jim says to wait 2 hours before you're "done"

Andreas does not keep a constant hot temperature on his mixing bottle, and the ice and water is only on the bottom couple of inches of the receiving bottle - Jim has constant heat, which causes more off-gassing, and the ice and ice water goes up the sides of his receiving bottle practically to the top. And Jim adds ice and removes melted water, as necessary.

I don't know if the use of saline or distilled water might affect the amount of gas that can be picked up in the receiving bottle.

This is not to say Andreas is wrong. His procedure makes a workable CDS, but it is not as strong as the CDS that Jim's procedure makes. Also, there is a tendency for more gas to be lost in the process of Andreas' procedure. That's fine as long as it's not a "sudden loss" -- like a cork being popped or a bottle breaking. I absolutely cleaned the mold out of my back pantry with the extra gas from my first 2 Andreas batches.

Hi, Cyd - Thanks for clarifying, because I was a bit confused, too. What you say makes perfect sense.

Jim is saying right now NOT to do CDS IV, so until they have a lot more experience with it, it looks like your "wishes" there will be granted . They are using it as an injection with large stock that can't do a regular dosing.

I think you're very right, this is so new that although they know it works, they don't know exactly HOW it works - since it comes from activated MMS, it's "like" mms - but in, I think, the last newsletter, or the one before, he's saying that as they get more experience with it they're actually finding it more effective than MMS1. - now whether that's because people are more willing to take it, to complete the protocol, (not only willing, but CAN) - I don't know. But I know my brother who has had the stomach issues you're talking about, is hoping that this will resolve them. (He just got a batch yesterday.)

Hi, I have a bottle of the new mms, sent me this little bottle andreas Kalker, and not yet started using it intravenously because I tene a protocol, and I dare not wear them without a strict protocol, someone can help me? ?

I wonder if andreas CDs can be used orally, because I can not stand the smell of MMS1, vomiting muho and I get sick just to think I have to beberlo.me is working and want to know if the CDs also andreas is effective.
anyone can give me a protocol for intravenous use with the new CDs. thanks

Yes, Andreas' CDS can be used orally. That is the only way that I have used it.

Jim Humble is asking us at this point to NOT use it intravenous.

To use Andreas' orally - simply put 1mL into a glass of cold water and drink it - at least 125mL of water -

Do not be put off by the smell as you open the bottle. That is just the gas coming off. Be sure to keep it in the refrigerator, so it stays cold.

Use it just like you would in any protocol, except where it says 3 drops MMS1, use 1mL of Andreas' CDS. Start slow and build up.


Sí, Andreas' El CDS se puede utilizar oral. Ésa es la única manera que la he utilizado. Jim humilde está pidiendo que a este punto no la utilizáramos intravenosa. Para utilizar Andreas' oral - ponga simplemente 1mL en un vidrio de agua fría y bébalo - por lo menos 125mL del agua - No sea suspendido por el olor como usted abre la botella. Ése es apenas el gas que sale. Esté seguro de mantenerlo el refrigerador, así que permanece frío. Utilícelo apenas como usted en cualquier protocolo, excepto donde dice 3 gotas MMS1, utilizan 1mL de Andreas' CDS. Comience lento y la acumulación.

Pam, thanks for that thougthful reply...... I hadn't thought of using the gas and will have a bash at it that's for sure.... just to see what happens:)

The vinegar i use has brought most of it up to the surface and i know what i am dealing with quite well... also am taking quite a bit of the CDS and after reading the posts on it will use quite a bit more of it in a dose as it would appear that mine may be weaker because of the size of the heated bottle.......and the fact that I didn't go the full time Jim recommends.

However, it still looks pretty good:) For anyone reading this to glean info on CDS and taking it, have to say 'get on to making it asap' for it is just such a relief after mms and citric acid drops It is quite a satisfying process to do it for oneself as well - empowering to say the least.

I can also get the premmie bottles online but I had discounted buying one because I thought that perhaps the non vacuum system they use would render using the nipple system unviable.

However, the drinking cup works by using the vent and stopping up the drinking nipple so could do that anyway.. just thoughts here for anyone else pondering the problem - there is a market for 2 oz baby or glass chemistry bottles going to waste lol.......... no doubt someone will fill it and we will all have no trouble getting supplies soon. (The old bunsen burner routine from chemistry classes in high school would work too)

We also found it harder than one would think possible to get the right tubing and ended up in a pool (swimming:)) shop where they did sell it by the metre. None of the hardware stores had anything but the soft tubing.

Being in the trouble I am, all this has come at the most opportune time, so thanks again to everyone with their experiences and information on CDS. ps - the root canal went yesterday so all sytems go !!!!

I'm gathering that's a congrats for the root canal? Your enthusiasm is infectious!

If the sippy is working fine - then nothing to worry. Our premie glass bottles are like the old fashioned larger glass bottles - just 2 oz, with a silicone nipple, which seems to work fine. It went back to clear, pretty much, after a day or so. The best part about our premie bottles is that they're marked off in 1 oz measurements, so measuring the MMS and the citric acid is a breeze.



I'm a little surprised you don't have the stiffer HDPE tubing - but each country is different. It's used pretty exclusively here for refrigerator ice-making units. Yours will undoubtedly work fine - my first bit of vinyl tubing didn't work at all. I did find a link on amazon.com (the US one) to show someone else - just in case you want it for later- (not that I would think you would buy from Amazon here, but it might give you an idea for there.)

www.amazon.com/White-Density-Polyethylene-Tubing-Length/dp/B000FN3K04/ref=sr_1_2?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1324562654&sr=1-2

And yeah, for me after NOT being able to do the MMS, CDS has been such a blessing!

NOTE: My original tubing link was incorrect - it showed 3/8"ID and should have been 1/4" ID and 3/8"OD - The new link is correct.